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>>Гебен не дал русским организовать нормальную блокаду Зунгулдака, например.
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>Именно Гебен? Т.е. в войне на ЧМ был случай когда Гебен отогнал от Зонгулдака эскадру ЭБР?

Нет, из-за "Гебена" русские ходили к Зунгулдаку толпой.


>>Там, где у русских "Порт-Артур отрезан, всё пропало, бой 28 июля - агония", у японцев "Порт-Артур взять никак не можем, русскую эскадру уничтожить не можем, русские не сегодня завтра приплывут с Балтики, всё пропадает..."
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>ИМХО Вы преувеличиваете.
>Гавань Артура уже простреливается, а с балтики никто еще не выходил (а путь неблизкий).

Например:

As the attack was to be renewed next day, Admiral Togo ordered the diversion to be repeated in its support. In the meantime, however, it would seem that the Naval Staff at Tokyo had heard of the proceedings, and come to the conclusion that they must not be permitted. We know, in any case, that some time during the 23rd [august] the Commander-in-Chief received from the Chief of the Staff the following message : For the present, when the heavy guns of the fleet have already fired half the rounds which their lives will endure, and several of them are so badly damaged as to be unserviceable, everything must be done to husband them for action with the Port Arthur and Vladivostok Squadrons and with the Baltic Fleet, which will sooner or later arrive. The thought of wearing then1 out in minor engagements with parts of the fortress cannot be tolerated. I therefore request that no ships of higher value than the Seventh Division be employed for the present in bombarding the fortress."

Ещё например:

The resistance of the Russians had been no less heroic, and towards evening
General Nogi realised that in face of the quite unexpected resource and obstinacy of the defence there was no hope of taking the place by assault. Since his first day's success at the northern angle he had gained no ground of value, his losses were known to be over 10 000 men, and the ammunition of his guns was nearly spent. He therefore stopped the attack and telegraphed to the Admiral that he would have to reduce the place step by step by regular siege operations.
Unaware that the last hope of carrying the place by assault was over, Admiral Togo had ordered the two cruisers to carry on next day, but again with the caution that they were not to fire unless absolutely necessary. Then, some time after they had parted company, General Nogi's disheartening telegram was taken in. The effect of the announcement on Admiral Togo,
with his exhausted force and the knowledge that the Baltic Fleet might sail at any time, is easily to be read between the lines of the laconic official statement of what he did. "Admiral Togo," we are told, "in view of the condition of the ships in the blockading squadron, considered it was imperative to take Port Arthur at the earliest opportunity," and on the 25th
[august] he submitted that view to the Japanese Headquarters. At the same time he urged that the army should be strengthened by good and fresh reinforcements, and that his naval heavy gun brigade should be given four more 4'7 guns and an increase of ammunition "as an emergency measure at this pressing crisis"

И после выхода 2 ТОЭ: Accordingly, on November 6th, the day after Admiral Rozhestvenski left Tangier, he [Togo] instructed his Chief of Staff to send to Admiral Ijuin, Vice-director of the Naval Headquarter Staff, the following telegram : " Please inform me of the movements of the Baltic Fleet, as the Combined Fleet must make arrangements to meet them. These will depend on their progress, since we cannot forecast at what date Port Arthur with fall. Cannot the numbers of guns and men in the Naval Brigade and the howitzer batteries be increased " from home? At any rate I beg that you will promote a discussion in the Imperial Staff as to how the fall of Port Arthur may be brought about more quickly."

Про то, как Того обещал снять морскую блокаду Порт-Артура в ноябре, вне зависимости от успехов армии, уже не буду цитировать. Равно как и про то, как Ноги сдвинул начало первого штурма Порт-Артура на три дня, по просьбе Того. И про то, что Высокую брали "любой ценой" именно для того, чтобы расстрелять корабли 1 ТОЭ.